Bishop Robert Barron, who serves as the bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Winona–Rochester in Minnesota, recently discussed the unprecedented scale of evil and the hope of revival during a recent interview on the Tucker Carlson Network.

Barron, who also founded the media organization Word on Fire, touched on the failures of the New Atheists, why so many nurse a hatred toward Christ despite His message of grace, and the Christian revival taking place despite increasing evil.

Here are 5 highlights from their conversation.