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In Episode 2 of Rick and Elaine Discuss The Book of Job, the conversation deepens as we step into one of the most challenging and misunderstood passages in all of Scripture. Together, Elaine Ray Clark and I wrestle honestly with suffering, testing, and the role of the accuser in the Book of Job. This is not a lecture and it is not a debate. It is a thoughtful, prayerful discussion that invites you into the text as a participant. We explore why Job’s story matters so much today, how ancient readers would have understood the “satan” figure, and why faith that has never been tested is not yet fully known. Along the way, we reflect on real life loss, personal trials, and the deep comfort found in trusting God even when answers are not immediate.

What makes this episode special is not just the theology, but the heart behind it. This is a conversation about loving God in the middle of hardship, about sharpening one another through honest dialogue, and about learning who God truly is through lived experience. If you have ever asked why suffering happens, where God is in the storm, or how faith survives when everything is stripped away, this episode is for you. Join us, share your thoughts, and be part of a growing community that studies Scripture together with humility, honesty, and love. We will read your questions and comments each week as we go, so if you want to interact with us in this study, we welcome you.

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Our first deep dive into the Book of Job surprised even us with how quickly the conversation opened up into the ancient world behind the text. Elaine and I explored Job’s setting in a pre Mosaic patriarchal culture, a world with no Israel, no Sinai, no prophets, and only scattered worshipers of the true God across the ancient Near East. We looked at Job as a righteous man outside the covenant line, who operates as a priest for his family, a man whose name means "he who weeps", and whose story challenges the belief that suffering is always punishment. Job becomes a witness to something bigger: the God who governs all nations, not only Israel, and the God who reveals Himself in ways that go beyond covenant boundaries.

This episode also pulled us into the heavenly courtroom scene, one of the most surprising moments in Scripture, where "the Satan" appears not as a cosmic rival to God but as an accuser who operates only with permission. From there we wrestled with the core question of the book: does Job fear God for nothing? Elaine and I talked through Job’s role as a family priest, the inner world of thoughts and motives, and the way the drama of Job mirrors our own suffering and our own questions. In the end, Job receives something far more powerful than an explanation. He receives a revelation of who God truly is. If you have ever asked why something painful happened, or walked alongside someone who has, this conversation will meet you right where you are.

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Merry Christmas Burros of Berea listeners!

This conversation with Nathan Ward is one of the most heartfelt and grounded testimonies ever shared on The Burros of Berea. What begins as a friendly introduction quickly unfolds into a deeply moving story centered on legacy, faith, and the quiet power of lived Christianity. Nathan’s reflections on his grandmother Flora form the emotional backbone of the episode, illustrating how genuine love, sacrificial generosity, and faithfulness can shape generations long before theology ever becomes explicit. His story reminds us that the gospel is often transmitted not through arguments, but through consistent presence, hospitality, and courage in moments of real need. This is an interview filled with memory, grief, gratitude, and hope, told with sincerity rather than polish, which makes it resonate all the more deeply Nathan Ward Interview.

As the conversation progresses, the episode naturally moves from testimony into theology, tracing Nathan’s journey from inherited tradition through ministry, crisis, and ultimately into fulfilled eschatology. What makes this discussion compelling is its tone. Rather than triumphalism or bitterness, Nathan speaks with humility about being shaped by people who loved God even when their frameworks were incomplete. The dialogue models how theological growth does not have to come at the expense of love for the Church or gratitude for one’s spiritual roots. Released on Christmas Day, the interview fittingly closes by reframing the season itself not as a debate over dates or traditions, but as a celebration of incarnation, presence, and giving. It is an episode that embodies the very message it proclaims: truth pursued through love, and faith expressed through lives well lived. I hope you enjoy this testimony as much as I did!

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Merry Christmas!!! After having so much fun last year, I am joined once again by my good friend and mentor Gary DeMar for our second annual Christmas movie conversation. What began as a simple holiday movie list quickly turned into a deep exploration of film history, wartime culture, hidden biblical themes in classic cinema, and several forgotten animated gems that place the Bible at the center of the story. From Jimmy Stewart’s real tears in It’s a Wonderful Life to the tense romance of Remember the Night to the surprising theological depth behind the 1939 short Good Will to Men, Gary brings decades of insight that transform these films into something far richer than nostalgia. If you love Christmas or movies or hearing Gary unpack the world behind the stories, this episode will be a gift to you.

We also highlight lesser known treasures like Mr. Soft Touch, the unusual charm of Holiday Affair, and the new Best Christmas Pageant Ever from Dallas Jenkins. The conversation is filled with personal stories, behind the scenes trivia, and reflections on the redemptive themes that make Christmas storytelling so meaningful. Whether you are wrapping presents, driving through town to look at lights, or simply trying to enjoy a peaceful moment in the middle of December, this episode will warm your heart and expand your watchlist. Come sit with us, laugh with us, and rediscover the meaning woven into films old and new. Your Christmas viewing begins here.

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On Monday, December 1st, 2025, our friend Glenn Hill went home to be with the Lord. Today we are re-releasing his testimony episode to honor his memory and to do what he always wanted to do, tell people about Jesus Christ.

There are people you meet in this life who leave a quiet, unmistakable mark on your soul. Glenn Hill was one of those people for me. He carried himself with a gentleness that never once diminished the strength of his convictions. Glenn was thoughtful, humble, and deeply devoted to understanding the Scriptures. He sought truth not so he could win arguments, but so he could help people find hope. That was who he was at his core.

I had the privilege of calling him my friend. When Glenn came on The Burros of Berea Podcast to share his testimony, I remember listening to him speak with a simplicity and sincerity that is rare in our world. He never postured. He never tried to impress. He just told his story — where he had been, what he had wrestled with, and how the Lord had led him into a deeper understanding of His promises. Glenn believed that the gospel was bigger and more beautiful than most of us ever realized, and he spent his life trying to show that beauty to others.

As an author, Glenn gave us Christianity’s Great Dilemma, a work that challenged many, encouraged many more, and opened doors for conversations that needed to happen. He wrote not to stir controversy but to help believers find the confidence that God’s word is faithful and His story complete. Glenn’s writings continue to comfort and strengthen countless people who, like him, were searching for clarity in Scripture.

But beyond the book, beyond the ideas, what I will remember most is the man himself. Glenn was kind. He was patient. He listened. He asked good questions. He cared about people more than he cared about being right. He cherished his family. He cherished the faith that carried him. And he had a joy about him — quiet, steady, rooted — that you could feel just by being in the room with him.

Losing Glenn hurts. It leaves a space that cannot be filled. Yet I am grateful — deeply grateful — for the time we had with him, for the conversations we shared, and for the example he left behind. His legacy is not only in his book or his ideas, but in the lives he touched, the friendships he formed, and the hope he helped restore in so many hearts.

Glenn finished his race with integrity. He ran it with honesty, humility, and grace. I will miss him. Many will. But I thank God for the gift of his life and for the privilege of calling him my friend.

May the Lord bless his memory and comfort those who loved him, especially his wife, Lila, and his children.

I hope it's a blessing.

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I sit down with author and teacher David A. Holland, whose devotional Praying Grace has now reached hundreds of thousands of readers. Many of you discovered him through his appearance in TBN’s Praise on the Revelation in the Past? episode and YouTube video as well as the God With Us documentary, and this conversation goes even deeper. David opens up about growing up in a world shaped by The Late Great Planet Earth, how fear-based eschatology shaped his childhood, and how a life-changing encounter with the message of grace completely transformed his walk with God. He shares the story of moving from shame, striving, and constant self-examination to discovering the finished work of Christ and learning to pray from victory instead of toward it.

We also talk about his surprising path to national visibility, the behind-the-scenes story of how Matt Crouch discovered his book, and the theological journey that led him away from dispensationalism toward a hopeful, expanding vision of the Kingdom of God. David discusses his upcoming book Now? Or Not Yet?, his insights into Matthew 24, his friendship with Dudley Hall, and why he believes the church still has a long future filled with purpose. It was one of the most encouraging and heartfelt conversations I’ve had on the podcast, and I’m excited to share it with you.

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Rick and Elaine get into more of 1 Corinthians 15. In particular, we discuss verses 42-58.

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Rick and Elaine continue their discussion of the Resurrection of the Dead and dig in deeper to 1 Corinthians 15.

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Rick and Elaine dive into 1 Corinthians 15 to discuss Paul's teaching about the resurrection of the dead.

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Rick and Elaine continue their look into the application of Revelation 21 and those outside of the gates of the city.

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Rick and Elaine dive into the narrative of Revelation 21 and 22 to determine the relevant and practical application in our present reality. Is this what we actually experience now?

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For any fans of the global phenomenon series, The Chosen, this episode will be a treat for you! I sit down with Kirk B. R. Woller, the actor who portrays, Gaius, the Roman centurion.

Kirk is a classically trained American actor whose career spans more than three decades and over 170 film and television credits. Known for his roles in Minority Report, Poseidon, The X-Files, and CSI, Kirk has built a reputation for thoughtful, emotionally grounded performances. Most recently, he’s captured the hearts of viewers worldwide as Gaius, the Roman centurion in The Chosen. His portrayal brings humanity and depth to a man torn between empire and faith, culminating in one of the series’ most powerful redemption arcs. Beyond acting, Kirk is a mentor and teacher of “The Woller Technique,” helping actors refine their craft through authenticity and truth. In this exclusive conversation, we discuss his life in film, the making of The Chosen, and how both the actor and the character are navigating themes of surrender, grace, and transformation.

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For any fans of the global phenomenon series, The Chosen, this episode will be a treat for you! I sit down with Kirk B. R. Woller, the actor who portrays, Gaius, the Roman centurion.

Kirk is a classically trained American actor whose career spans more than three decades and over 170 film and television credits. Known for his roles in Minority Report, Poseidon, The X-Files, and CSI, Kirk has built a reputation for thoughtful, emotionally grounded performances. Most recently, he’s captured the hearts of viewers worldwide as Gaius, the Roman centurion in The Chosen. His portrayal brings humanity and depth to a man torn between empire and faith, culminating in one of the series’ most powerful redemption arcs. Beyond acting, Kirk is a mentor and teacher of “The Woller Technique,” helping actors refine their craft through authenticity and truth. In this exclusive conversation, we discuss his life in film, the making of The Chosen, and how both the actor and the character are navigating themes of surrender, grace, and transformation.

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I had the opportunity to sit down with the president of American Vision, Gary DeMar to discuss what he's been doing lately. He gets into the three question controversy as well as the difficulties of people trying to get him excommunicated out of his own church.

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Our guest this week is Elaine Ray Clark. Born in England, and now living in Spain, Elaine shares her testimony of faith in Jesus Christ. After being in the Jehovah's Witnesses for more than two decades, she discusses how God brought her out and into a relationship with Him.

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